Brain dead and bleeding

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Agreed, Tim.

Merry Christmas to you and yours,

Ron

>>> "Hardcastle, Tim, Dr <tch at sun.ac.za>" <tch at sun.ac.za> 12/22/2006
12:02 AM >>>
Dean

As a fellow SA dr. I would not operate if the CT head showed
non-survivable injury in the context of a patient stable enough to have
gone to scanner first. The critique may have been that the surgeon
should first do the laparotomy - i.e. address a,b & C, then sort out the
head (CT later); this would certainly hold water if the patient was
UNstable. Then the justification is simply that the potential for
hypoperfusion as the contributor to the low GCS is excluded. 

Your term "brain dead" here needs qualification - have you done all the
tests yet? Or is he just a GCS 3 from scene - I've seen these WAKE-UP!

Regards
Tim
Dr T C Hardcastle
M.B.,Ch.B.(Stell); M.Med(Chir); FCS(SA)
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[mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]On Behalf Of Dean Lutrin
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:12 PM
To: 'Trauma & Critical Care mailing list'
Subject: Brain dead and bleeding


Dear list

A quick question. What are your feelings on operating on a patient who
comes
into your ER brain dead with intraabdominal bleeding? Do you treat the
abdomen on its own merits assuming that some of the low GCS may be
attributable to hypovolaemia etc...

I am of course assuming that the patient has been intubated without
drugs,
there is no drug history etc etc...

We debated this a bit today where one of the surgeons did not operate
on a
case because the CT brain showed unsurvivable injuries and was roundly
criticised.

Is this a matter of opinion or are there good answers?

Thanks 

Dean Lutrin
JHB, SA

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