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Tue Aug 1 20:21:49 BST 2006

Agreed.

The excuse that the political discussions relate to trauma might technically
be correct, but it still reduces our membership and lowers the list's
quality. Those who have the most to offer are likely to already not have
much time to follow the list and even less time to click delete on their
email 30 extra times a day.

Which list population seems most important an a trauma list? And should the
whole list suffer just so some can get their political discussions in?

On 8/1/06, Karim Brohi <karimbrohi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is indeed a good idea, and would possibly do much to divert some of
> the
> off-topic postings.  *However* it costs money to run a mailing list of
> this
> size and we pay a significant amount of money annually to host the
> trauma-list and its (growing) membership.  I'm not convinced that setting
> up
> a separate list for this discussion is the best use of that money -
> especially when other such lists are already in existence. (med-events)
>
> Unlike modern politics, I also believe that the long view is the important
> one - and not the knee-jerk reaction to the event of the day.  I can count
> the number of time I have had to intervene and put an end to a discussion
> on
> the trauma-list on the fingers of one hand - and that's after 10 years and
> over 30,000 messages being sent.
>
> These discussions are very destructive.  People join the trauma-list to
> learn about trauma, in all its forms.  True, many events around the world
> are directly related to the provision or access to trauma care, and how
> trauma care is provided in such settings is very very relevant.  True also
> that the medical community, and perhaps the trauma care community in
> particular must be aware of the politics surrounding these situations and
> must be able to a) learn how to use those politics to continue to provide
> care in those circumstances and b) provide leadership and solutions to
> promote conflict resolution.  When we as an intelligent, respected body
> resort to playground politics, it reflects badly on us and is unproductive
> or even destructive - witness the recent unsubscriptions (I reckon around
> 50
> people).  And these people are the busy clinicians and other professionals
> who we need on this list - who use the list as an educational and
> community
> resource and who simply don't have the time to wade through multiple
> off-topic opinions to just read their email.  We would have a much
> stronger
> membership now if the list hadn't been decimated by these discussions at
> regular intervals - once people switch off they switch off forever.
>
> If you couldn't be bothered to read the above paragraph the message could
> be
> rephrased like this:
>
> 'Your opinion is important, but if it's off-topic and possibly of no
> interest to 2500 other people, take it elsewhere - for the good of the
> list'.
>
> Karim
>
>
>
> On 01/08/06, Walker, Joseph (MET) <Joseph.Walker at ahss.org> wrote:
> >
> > Dr. Mattox, I am one of those lurkers who is in the background reading
> > but not speaking out. I am a relatively new trauma nurse coordinator of
> > 10 months but I do have 14 years critical care and ED experience and
> > although I feel competent at what I am doing, "I am amazed at what I
> > don't know". I am in the shadows to read, learn and educate myself
> > taking knowledge from great minds, professionals from around the world;
> > from Maine USA to South Africa to Pakistan to Australia, India, Great
> > Britain, South America and back to Chicago USA (apologizing for everyone
> > I missed).
> > To get to the point, I learn from the dialogue on this site and while I
> > enjoy the political banter I would agree with you that a secondary site
> > would be more appropriate place for it. That way I can go back to
> > lurking and learning about trauma while visiting the political arena at
> > my leisure. So if Karim would set up a secondary site I wonder how many
> > others would be in favor of it so we can keep this one to the discussion
> > of trauma. I thank you and all others for your time and dedication to
> > our profession. Now I shall retreat back to the shadows. Respectfully
> >                                      Joseph A Walker RN
> >                                      Trauma Nurse Coordinator
> >                                      Killeen, Texas
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
> > [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of KMATTOX at aol.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:21 AM
> > To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > Subject: Karim - Political discussion
> >
> > Karim:   I have a simple suggestion.   Many on this  list do like to
> > have a
> > political, environmental, religious, economic, and many  other
> > non-medical
> > discussions.   They like to do it with those they  know and enjoy making
> > happy,
> > angry, etc.   Sometimes I even enjoy this  exchange, but many on the
> > list want
> > only the purist of clinical  discussions.    We respect your oversight
> > as web
> > master.   Thus this suggestion.
> >
> > Create an alternate site, where members of trauma-list can go to
> > continue
> > their discussions and political fights.   Those who wish to chat there
> > can go
> > and you and others can say that such and such a discussion should go to
> > that
> > site.      It will be on your server, just like  trauma-list but be a
> > secondary
> > site for all of us.   Other list  servers of medical discussions have
> > such a
> > mechanism.
> >
> > k
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