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Bali Bombings

Tony Joseph tjoseph at ihug.com.au
Sun Oct 9 08:45:36 BST 2005

Dear Don
Just a point of History- that the turning point of WW 2 was Stalingrad with
the Russians snatching victory from the jaws of defeat which then enabled
the Allies to advance on and capture Berlin (just after the Russians).

BTW as this is a trauma web site , do we not all agree that prevention ( of
terrorism)  is much more cost effective than mopping up after the injury has
How can you "police" against zealots  with ball bearing -containing bombs in
their backpacks? The more relevant question is why?

Tony Joseph

On 8/10/05 3:13 AM, "Don Benson" <bensonblues at comcast.net> wrote:

> Gordy,
> You are naïve, and you do not know history. The US has shed blood for 2
> world wars to police the planet when Europe was spineless to do so and paid
> with millions of lives. You either pay attention and police your
> neighborhood, or the world becomes a ghetto.
> DB
> bensonblues at comcast.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon S. Doig [mailto:gdoig at med.usyd.edu.au]
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:25 PM
> To: Trauma & Critical Care mailing list
> Subject: Re: Bali Bombings
> America is not the World's policeman (Isn't there a movie with puppets
> about this???). It is not up to any one country/religion/person to
> determine another's policy/objectives/goals.
> The world would be a better place if we were all more tolerant and
> respectful of each other.
> Gordon
> Don Benson wrote:
>> Radical Islam isn't new. Early in the 18th Century, the Ottomans used
>> Caucasians as slaves. Wahhabism inspired the birth of the lasting dynasty,
>> the House of Saud (remember them folks?) and the growing Ottoman Empire.
>> Fortunately for Europe, technology was in its infancy or things would have
>> been different. We had another close call with Hitler: his mistake was in
>> choosing the wrong scapegoats (the Jews - high tech thinkers who brought us
>> atomic energy and rocketry); if he would have gotten the bomb first, again,
>> things would have been different.
>> The Islamic Republic of Iran makes no bones about its radical theocracy.
>> Either you trust a crazy man with a gun, or you don't. I don't, and I
>> suspect that our "pseudo-religious nitwit" in the White House doesn't
>> either. But, what are his options at present? Bomb Iran? Woo Nellie, would
>> he catch hell from the Left all over the planet. He caught hell from the
>> Left when he went after the last crazy man who postured like he had a gun.
>> I believe we are experiencing the twilight in the War on Terror. I am also
>> afraid that it will take a nuclear device in one of our major cities before
>> we the people of this great nation unite in common cause. Remember (and
> I've
>> tried): you can not reason with a crazy man. By all rational standards, a
>> young man who is convinced that if he kills a thousand infidels that he
> will
>> be rewarded with heaven and 72 virgins is either crazy or has a small
> penis,
>> or both.
>> If we don't curtail Iran's (and any radical theocracy) goal of atomic
>> weaponry, things will be different for our children.
>> Don Benson, DO, FACEP
>> Department of Emergency Medicine
>> St. John Hospital and Medical Center
>> Detroit
>> bensonblues at comcast.net
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thomas Anthony Horan [mailto:thoran at sarah.br]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:41 AM
>> To: Trauma & Critical Care mailing list
>> Subject: RE: Bali Bombings
>> David,
>> I don't think silence indicates a lack of sympathy for the families of the
>> dead, or a lack of humanity, nor a lack of respect for the efforts of the
>> rescuers. The real problem is we don't know what to do about it. How does
>> one fight a religious ideology, the idea of martyrdom, rewards in the after
>> life and so on? Especially so when we are led by a pseudoreligious nitwit
> of
>> our own.
>> Now that western nations have essentially given up on the neuclear program
>> of Iran, are powerless to do anything about it, and have squandered in Iraq
>> the moral high ground they held after 9/11, such bombings we have seen in
>> the resorts of Bali and Egypt, pale to insignificance next to the holocaust
>> planned by radical islamist once they achieve the ability.
>> Tom
>>> ----------
>>> From:  Fontana, David[SMTP:DFontana at phcn.vic.gov.au]
>>> Reply To:  Trauma & Critical Care mailing list
>>> Sent:  terça-feira, 4 de outubro de 2005 22:22
>>> To:  trauma-list at trauma.org
>>> Subject:  Bali Bombings
>>> I note with interest the lack of discussion surrounding the recent
>>> repeat terror attacks on tourists and citizens of Bali.
>>> Are we disheartened, disinterested or overwhelmed? Normally an affront
>>> to humanity of this nature would draw some comment from the list; why
>>> not on this occasion?
>>> After discussion with my colleagues, I offer our deepest sympathies to
>>> the victims and their families. And we further commend the efforts of
>>> the rescuers, medical staff and volunteers who aided the victims.
>>> We fear that this repeat attack will further damage the economy and
>>> livelihood of the Balinese people who depend so much on the tourist
>>> dollar for survival.
>>> David R Fontana RN
>>> Dip.App.Sci., B.Nsg(N.Ed).,PGrad.Dip.Adv.Clin.Nurs.(Melb.)
>>> Associate Nurse Manager
>>> Anaesthesia & Post Anaesthesia Care Unit
>>> Frankston Hospital
>>> Melbourne, Victoria, AUSTRALIA
>>> 03 9784-7404
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