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Bali Bombings

Nick Macartney nick at macartney.org
Fri Oct 7 20:09:35 BST 2005

Well, personally I am very sorry for the locals. Their tourist industry is
going to take a big hit - how many people who have booked a holiday ( as I
have ) will cancel ( which I will not ). I just hope their will be no bombs
25 Nov till 10 Dec when I will be spending my money there to have a
hooliday, and try to help their economy.


Political rhetoric such as so many have written should not be discussed in
mixed company.

I was taught when young that in mixed company one should discuss neither
politics nor religion.

Dr NJD Macartney MBBS FRCA
Consultant Intensivist
ICU, Chase Farm Hospital, The Ridgeway, Enfield, EN2 8JL
Mob 07831 630068  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org 
> [mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Gross
> Sent: 07 October 2005 16:12
> To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> Subject: RE: Bali Bombings
> "Don't think for a moment that terrorism is a characteristic 
> of any religion, fundamentalist or otherwise.  It's a tactic 
> (and a predictable product) of desperation."
> Pret,
> Out of all you said, this quote rings - no, SCREAMS - in my 
> head.  Exactly what desperation would you be able to justigy 
> in those people who's only goal is to wipe out any and all 
> thought processes, religious beliefs and political 
> aorganizations that fail to conform preciesly to those of the 
> terrorists?  Are they desperate because the rest of the 
> people on the fact of the earth are capable of thinking?
> Sorry my friend, but me thinks you need to change feet..........
> Ron
> >>> pbjorn at emh.org 10/7/2005 9:17:13 AM >>>
> Rick,
> Congratulations on a nearly impossible feat of marksmanship: 
> you have so thoroughly missed the point that you've hit 
> yourself in the back of the head.  
> Whether or not you want to, understanding the enemy is the 
> best way to disarm him.  We've tried righteous ignorance, 
> blustery rhetoric, and brute force.  A lot of freaking good it's done.
> --
> Your feelings are understandable:  I'm doubtful that many of 
> us can effectively imagine the world reversed, wherein the 
> largest economies, industries, militaries, and media 
> mechanisms of the world are middle eastern
> (read: Islamic); where, for generations, you and I have lived 
> in abject poverty under gilded regimes of repression -- 
> funded, armed, informed, and overtly controlled by middle 
> eastern powers.  
> The largest and most influential of these nations (pick one) 
> flies a banner of peace and freedom, but its actions over 
> hundreds of years have served mostly to exploit our 
> resources, enrich our oppressors, and dismiss our faith.  Our 
> country may have never been attacked; but our culture, for 
> generations, has been under siege.
> We're poor, we're infuriated, we're desperate; but we're not 
> stupid.  An organized revolution would be conspicuous and 
> uselessly suicidal: the middle east is too wealthy, too 
> well-armed and well-wired.  The most accessible, safe and 
> credible retreat is to the Christian churches, which the 
> outsiders can't overtly attack without risking their moral 
> self image.  
> We find varying support there, among other impoverished, 
> desperate Christians.  Some are especially sympathetic: the 
> Muslim puppet masters enrage them, as do the faithless 
> profiteers and sycophants in their very own communities.  
> They share our suffocating sense that the Christian world is 
> being subsumed and rebuilt into one where our heritage can't 
> fit, and won't survive.  We have no one to rely on but 
> ourselves and each other, nobody to trust but other fanatics.
> We resolve to fight back using the tools at hand: improvised 
> weapons, zealous martyrs fueled by the most primitive 
> commandments of our faith, and the ability to scare the shit 
> out of civilian (especially, secular) masses around the globe.  
> The only hope of our culture is that terror will force 
> reflection, hesitation, and withdrawal.  Gradually, as these 
> efforts fail in the face of global middle eastern dominance, 
> our objectives distort and simplify: we'll kill as many of 
> the Muslim motherf***ers as we can, or die trying.  If 
> nothing else, we're politically, financially, and morally 
> bankrupting the fools...
> --
> Don't think for a moment that terrorism is a characteristic 
> of any religion, fundamentalist or otherwise.  It's a tactic 
> (and a predictable product) of desperation.  We'd do it if we 
> had to, and we'd find a way to dignify it.
> Religion's just the most accessible vector.  
> And don't think that I endorse or support these impressions 
> or responses: I just know they're out there, and that 
> ignoring them deepens the hole we're digging.  Mankind will 
> never be one big happy family.  But if we're lucky, we'll 
> find a way to coexist.  Problem is, somebody has to be the 
> first to try.
> Pret Bjorn
> -----Original Message-----
> From: docrickfry at aol.com [mailto:docrickfry at aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:44 PM
> To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> Subject: Re: Bali Bombings
> Sure----is it not commmon courtesy and tolerance to be 
> respectful of those who blow up innocent people to make their 
> own adolescent point as to who's beliefs are right?  Perhaps 
> we should all try to understand them a bit more, and then we 
> can all be one big happy family--what are a few hundred lives 
> per pop compared to understanding and tolerance?
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