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Bali Bombings

Ben Reynolds aneurysm_42 at yahoo.com
Fri Oct 7 15:17:56 BST 2005

But Rick:

The people who are doing this are relatively FEW in
number, though I sadly admit those numbers are growing
at a seemingly exponential rate by all accounts. 
We've taken this 'war on terrorism' to the doorsteps
of all of Islam, not seriously considering for a
moment that not EVERY Muslim is involved in an
expansive malevolent plot to destroy Western
civilization.  Our rhetoric is ripe with references
all but blaming the ENTIRE Islamic world for the
damage done by the minority radical fringe; thus guilt
by association.

So should we try to understand our enemy?  If by
"enemy" you mean the established al-Qaeda terrorist
organization who laid waste to our country on 9/11, I
answer a hearty "Hell no".  Burn 'em. Twice.  

But if by "enemy" you mean the non-violent young Arab
men who are being coerced daily with twisted words and
lies to join the ever-growing ranks of martyrs who
shed innocent blood to drive out the infidels, then
you might take a couple of minutes to think before

Ben Reynolds, PA-C
Pittsburgh, PA


--- docrickfry at aol.com wrote:

> You apparently have missed my point--we understand
> them perfectly well--and are dealing appropriately
> on that basis--someone points a gun to your head,
> the first thing you want to do is understand them? I
> think the action is perfectly understandable all on
> its own.  Understanding the culture and people is
> perfectly appropriate, and I never disagreed with
> that--but the people over there and these murderers
> are two different things.  Kind of like someone over
> there looking at Charles Manson as being the
> stereoptype of America--understanding him and
> understanding us are quite different from one
> another.   Well, OK, each to his own.....I do hope
> you are not about to try to make the point that YOUR
> opinion above is somehow the RIGHT one, are you? 
> Because that is the impression I get....
> ERF 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bjorn, Pret <pbjorn at emh.org>
> To: 'Trauma & Critical Care mailing list'
> <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> Sent: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:17:13 -0400 
> Subject: RE: Bali Bombings
> Rick,
> Congratulations on a nearly impossible feat of
> marksmanship: you have so
> thoroughly missed the point that you've hit yourself
> in the back of the
> head.  
> Whether or not you want to, understanding the enemy
> is the best way to
> disarm him.  We've tried righteous ignorance,
> blustery rhetoric, and brute
> force.  A lot of freaking good it's done.
> --
> Your feelings are understandable:  I'm doubtful that
> many of us can
> effectively imagine the world reversed, wherein the
> largest economies,
> industries, militaries, and media mechanisms of the
> world are middle eastern
> (read: Islamic); where, for generations, you and I
> have lived in abject
> poverty under gilded regimes of repression --
> funded, armed, informed, and
> overtly controlled by middle eastern powers.  
> The largest and most influential of these nations
> (pick one) flies a banner
> of peace and freedom, but its actions over hundreds
> of years have served
> mostly to exploit our resources, enrich our
> oppressors, and dismiss our
> faith.  Our country may have never been attacked;
> but our culture, for
> generations, has been under siege.
> We're poor, we're infuriated, we're desperate; but
> we're not stupid.  An
> organized revolution would be conspicuous and
> uselessly suicidal: the middle
> east is too wealthy, too well-armed and well-wired. 
> The most accessible,
> safe and credible retreat is to the Christian
> churches, which the outsiders
> can't overtly attack without risking their moral
> self image.  
> We find varying support there, among other
> impoverished, desperate
> Christians.  Some are especially sympathetic: the
> Muslim puppet masters
> enrage them, as do the faithless profiteers and
> sycophants in their very own
> communities.  They share our suffocating sense that
> the Christian world is
> being subsumed and rebuilt into one where our
> heritage can't fit, and won't
> survive.  We have no one to rely on but ourselves
> and each other, nobody to
> trust but other fanatics.
> We resolve to fight back using the tools at hand:
> improvised weapons,
> zealous martyrs fueled by the most primitive
> commandments of our faith, and
> the ability to scare the shit out of civilian
> (especially, secular) masses
> around the globe.  
> The only hope of our culture is that terror will
> force reflection,
> hesitation, and withdrawal.  Gradually, as these
> efforts fail in the face of
> global middle eastern dominance, our objectives
> distort and simplify: we'll
> kill as many of the Muslim motherf***ers as we can,
> or die trying.  If
> nothing else, we're politically, financially, and
> morally bankrupting the
> fools...
> --
> Don't think for a moment that terrorism is a
> characteristic of any religion,
> fundamentalist or otherwise.  It's a tactic (and a
> predictable product) of
> desperation.  We'd do it if we had to, and we'd find
> a way to dignify it.
> Religion's just the most accessible vector.  
> And don't think that I endorse or support these
> impressions or responses: I
> just know they're out there, and that ignoring them
> deepens the hole we're
> digging.  Mankind will never be one big happy
> family.  But if we're lucky,
> we'll find a way to coexist.  Problem is, somebody
> has to be the first to
> try.
> Pret Bjorn
> -----Original Message-----
> From: docrickfry at aol.com [mailto:docrickfry at aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:44 PM
> To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> Subject: Re: Bali Bombings
> Sure----is it not commmon courtesy and tolerance to
> be respectful of those
> who blow up innocent people to make their own
> adolescent point as to who's
> beliefs are right?  Perhaps we should all try to
> understand them a bit more,
> and then we can all be one big happy family--what
> are a few hundred lives
> per pop compared to understanding and tolerance?
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