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Bali Bombings

Simon Houstoun shoustoun at hotmail.com
Fri Oct 7 12:29:32 BST 2005

It's hard to come to grips with just what to do about an enemy who is 
willing to die in order to kill you. I think there is enough going on in the 
US at the moment to keep our friends over there very busy indeed - and while 
Prets comments may be relevent( I couldn't say) I can see no reason to 
resent anything said or not said about Bali in this forum. As far as Bali is 
concerned, I and many Australians (I believe) feel frustrated and helpless 
as we watch law enforcement try (very hard) to deal with the perpetrators of 
this action. I know I feel frustration when I see the leader of the 
religious group responsible given two years jail for planning, funding, 
supplying and organising a mass murder while an Australian woman with 4 kg 
of 'grass' in her bag at Denpasar gets twenty years jail and threatened with 
the death penalty.
My personal feeling is that we (Australians) are being laughed at by these 
people and their govenrment and we (Australia) should stop aid to them, stop 
business dealings with them.  And, when their armed warships and aircraft 
enter our air and sea space they should be evicted, by force if neccessary. 
Similarly for their illegal fishing boats.
Sorry Karim - I will understand if this is too vehement to publish.
Regards to all
Simon Houstoun
ICP QAS Toowoomba

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlene M Morris" <cvmmorris at gmail.com>
To: "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: Bali Bombings

Respectfully, this violence is nothing new AND it will continue to happen
until the xenophobia is either quelled or dissipates-- regardless of how or
 C M Morris, PA-C
Of note, Australia is in negotiations to start a PA program in Queensland
In Aussie '80-- LOVELY country!!

 On 10/5/05, Ronald Gross <Rgross at harthosp.org> wrote:
> Pret,
> I would never accuse you of being a Commie. I am worried, however, that
> you are starting to sound more and more like Tom Horan (I shiver)...
> As to your assessment of the issue, your are not all wrong, nor are you
> all right either, in this dumb Yank's eyes.
> Ron
> >>> pbjorn at emh.org 10/5/2005 8:42:35 AM >>>
> Honestly?
> 1: Most Trauma-List subscribers -- and a breathtaking majority of the
> loudmouths -- are Americans.
> 2: If the Bali bombings had occurred in Detroit, we'd be cranking out
> fifty
> messages a day. We'd have detailed timelines, links to interactive web
> sites, blogs, analyses of policy and protocols, incessant expressions of
> mutual sympathy, and countless tales of selflessness and heroism.
> 3: But they occurred in Bali, which most Yanks couldn't find on a globe if
> it blinked, and whose newsworthiness is lately restricted to public areas
> blowing up. Oh, another bomb in Bali? How frightful. Is that six this
> year? Where's Bali?
> 4: The solutions to religious extremism are elusive to us, chiefly because
> we have no familiarity with its causes. Our own theocracy is just getting
> started.
> 5: A frank and functional discussion of global terrorism will be
> thoroughly
> unflattering to American foreign policy and global citizenship, and will
> devolve into name-calling and pointless partisanship before you can say
> "Pret's a Commie."
> In short: apart from expressing our sympathy, nobody has the stomach for
> detail. We're not good at talking about things we're not good at, and when
> it comes to dealing with terrorism, we're VERY not good at it.
> Pret Bjorn, RN, etc.
> Bangor, ME USA
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Anthony Horan [mailto:thoran at sarah.br]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:41 AM
> To: Trauma & Critical Care mailing list
> Subject: RE: Bali Bombings
> David,
> I don't think silence indicates a lack of sympathy for the families of the
> dead, or a lack of humanity, nor a lack of respect for the efforts of the
> rescuers. The real problem is we don't know what to do about it. How does
> one fight a religious ideology, the idea of martyrdom, rewards in the
> after
> life and so on? Especially so when we are led by a pseudoreligious nitwit
> of
> our own.
> Now that western nations have essentially given up on the neuclear program
> of Iran, are powerless to do anything about it, and have squandered in
> Iraq
> the moral high ground they held after 9/11, such bombings we have seen in
> the resorts of Bali and Egypt, pale to insignificance next to the
> holocaust
> planned by radical islamist once they achieve the ability.
> Tom
> > ----------
> > From: Fontana, David[SMTP:DFontana at phcn.vic.gov.au]
> > Reply To: Trauma & Critical Care mailing list
> > Sent: terça-feira, 4 de outubro de 2005 22:22
> > To: trauma-list at trauma.org
> > Subject: Bali Bombings
> >
> > I note with interest the lack of discussion surrounding the recent
> > repeat terror attacks on tourists and citizens of Bali.
> > Are we disheartened, disinterested or overwhelmed? Normally an affront
> > to humanity of this nature would draw some comment from the list; why
> > not on this occasion?
> > After discussion with my colleagues, I offer our deepest sympathies to
> > the victims and their families. And we further commend the efforts of
> > the rescuers, medical staff and volunteers who aided the victims.
> > We fear that this repeat attack will further damage the economy and
> > livelihood of the Balinese people who depend so much on the tourist
> > dollar for survival.
> >
> > David R Fontana RN
> > Dip.App.Sci., B.Nsg(N.Ed).,PGrad.Dip.Adv.Clin.Nurs.(Melb.)
> > Associate Nurse Manager
> > Anaesthesia & Post Anaesthesia Care Unit
> > Frankston Hospital
> > Melbourne, Victoria, AUSTRALIA
> > 03 9784-7404
> >
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