Gun Control Issue--Time to Take Out the garbage

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terry, as always WELL said

On May 1, 2005, at 2:19 PM, Terry Dinerman wrote:

> Pret, Clive et al.....
>
> If you should live a life so blessedly free of the threat of violence, 
> that
> you never wish you had a firearm close at hand, GOOD FOR YOU.
>
> My neighborhood, unfortunately, is not as pristine or well policed as 
> yours.
>
> I accept all the moral and legal responsibilities inherent in the 
> right to
> ownership of my weapons. I will use those weapons in legally sanctioned
> sport, and, should the need arise again, to defend my life and 
> property, or
> the life and property of others.
>
> And I will continue to vociferously resist the efforts of those who 
> would
> see that portion of the population LEAST LIKELY to use a firearm in
> commission of a crime, disarmed to ameliorate your revulsion with the
> activities of the criminal subculture.
>
> The passage of "Shall Issue" Concealed Carry Permits here in Texas in 
> 2001
> did not result in the bloodbath so many gun control pundits seemed to 
> want
> so desperately. (In a sickening effort order to "Prove" the need for 
> more
> stringent gun control laws, I suppose)
>
> Violent crime has gone down for in my state for several years, and for 
> a
> variety of reasons (mostly economic), and to the best of my knowledge, 
> to
> date, no concealed carry permit holder has been cited for a crime 
> involving
> a firearm.
>
> Go after the criminals who are committing the vast preponderance of gun
> crimes with the zeal you show for those of us law abiding citizens you 
> like
> to characterize as "....liquored up, testosterone overdosed, 
> morons....".
>
> I may indeed be a surly old curmudgeon, but I RESENT that
> characterization.....SIR(s).
>
> Regards-
>
> Terry Dinerman EMTP
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clive Leach" <clive at cdleach.wanadoo.co.uk>
> To: "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list" <trauma-list at trauma.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Gun Control Issue--was and still is garbage
>
>
>> As always , WELL said
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ========================================
>> Message date : Apr 29 2005, 04:34 PM
>>> From : "p.bjorn"
>> To : "Trauma & Critical Care mailing list"
>> Copy to :
>> Subject : Re: Gun Control Issue--was and still is garbage
>> "The law will have more to do with two liqoured up testosterone 
>> overdosed
>> morons in the parking lot settling a depute about the girl in the bar 
>> than
>> real criminals lying in wait for the unsuspecting."
>>
>> This comprises most of my concern. Firearm assaults and murders are 
>> not
>> typically premeditated; they're generally the result of stupidity,
> passion,
>> or panic: it's well established that the person most likely to kill 
>> you
> with
>> a handgun already has the keys to your house.
>>
>> Whatever way this legislation is worded, its social implication
> (shockingly
>> amplified here on the list) is that it's a good idea for law-abiding
>> laypersons to keep guns on their hips. I can't imagine a dumber 
>> message to
>> promulgate, or a more pathetic reflection of American culture.
>>
>> Pret Bjorn
>> Bangor, ME
>>
>>
>>
>>> ----------
>>> From: Krin135 at aol.com[SMTP:Krin135 at aol.com]
>>> Reply To: Trauma & Critical Care mailing list
>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de abril de 2005 10:49
>>> To: trauma-list at trauma.org
>>> Subject: Re: Gun Control Issue--was and still is garbage
>>>
>>> In a message dated 28-Apr-05 19:37:59 Central Daylight Time,
>> cursic at gmail.com
>>> writes:
>>> I must (once again) respectfully disagree with your assessment.
>>> To do so I shall invoke the well-described phenomenon of the "Decoy
>>> Highway Patrol" to explain my assertion.
>>>
>>> Drivers are much more likely to obey the speed limit (i.e. behave) if
>>> a police car is prominently parked on the side of the interstate,
>>> fully visible to the approaching traffic. Conversely, drivers are
>>> much less likely to obey speed limits when the Highway Patrol is not
>>> visible, even though most drivers understand that a patroller "might"
>>> be hidden somewhere behind some bushes with a fully-loaded radar gun,
>>> waiting to issue a citation.
>>>
>>> visible radar gun: equivalent to visible handgun.
>>> gun visible = better behavior
>>> QED
>>>
>>> The Naked Gun Theory: bulletproof.
>>>
>>> CM Ursic
>>> Ceasar, I must disagree...while this is true for the police, who are
>> already
>>> supposed to be visible...the effect with concealed carry is 
>>> magnified if
>> the
>>> goblins *don't* know who is carrying...if the goblins have to worry 
>>> that
> a
>>> proverbial 98 pound 'little old lady from Pasadena' is packing heat,
> they
>> are
>>> demonstratable (from both studies of convicted felons and from
>> longitudinal
>>> studies of crime patterns here in the US and reciprocal studies in 
>>> the
> UK
>> and
>>> Austraila) *less* likely to commit crimes of interpersonal violence.
>>>
>>> If you are carrying openly, then the goblins have the opportunity to
>> 'strike
>>> from ambush' and eliminate the obvious opposition.
>>>
>>> ck
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