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Tue Jan 13 15:46:10 GMT 2004

Last course

What struck me is the rigidity of the program
Strict orders not to discuss Permessive hypotension
Still pushing high dose steroids for spinal cord injury
No Combitube/LMA

What also struck me compared to PHTLS/BTLS
Is the lecturers, for the most parts
Were good docs
But not very good lecturers (following the slides)
(PHTLS/BTLS instructor are usualy selected for their teaching skills
more than their academic knowledge!?)))

The level of the docs taking the ATLS was pretty good this time
around

Again got lucky
And participated in the clinicals
... used to be that some docs would object to animal labs
And that would leave some openings

But otherwise
Like any clinical
Your attitude, knowledge and enthousiasme go a long way
In guaranteeing maximum learning

Again

PHTLS/BTLS should be mandated
But their is room and much apreciation for an occasional ATLS audit

Thanks to be directed to the open mindedness of the course givers

Charles Brault EMT-P

--- Andy Brainard <abrainard01 at comcast.net> wrote:
> I just finished Auditing an ATLS class here in New Mexico and was
> very
> impressed. There were a couple of other non-docs in the class and
> we all
> felt that this was an extremely useful class. 
> 
> The aeromedical staff frequently flies to outlying hospitals and is
> sometimes involved in the stabilization-for-transport phase of
> care. Knowing
> the logic and procedures of ATLS would help them better assist at
> these
> rural hospitals and may occasionally give them better judgment
> while on a
> scene or in a transport vehicle.
> 
> Personally, as  former medic, I felt luckily to be able to take the
> class.
> It was nice break from virology and recharged me for medical
> school.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org [mailto:trauma-list-
> > bounces at trauma.org] On Behalf Of Charles Brault
> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 4:55 PM
> > To: Trauma & Critical Care mailing list
> > Subject: Re: trauma-list Digest -ATLS COURSE
> > 
> > 
> > --- medic245 at mindspring.com wrote:
> > 
> > Yeah... you got bad information.  It is possible for a paramedic
> to
> > audit the class (I did it in '02,) but my question is "Why?" 
> There
> > are excellent classes on trauma care for paramedics... PHTLS, for
> > example.
> > 
> > ..................
> > After (or before) you have taken BTLS twice and PHTLS twice
> > ATLS is a nice change that makes you apreciate the extended care
> > beyond the doors of the ER, it also forces you to eat humble pie
> > ... wich is O.K.
> > 
> > 
> > ATLS teaches nifty things like chest tubes, DPL, and FAST.  What
> use
> > are these in the back of the ambulance?
> > 
> > .......
> > They may come in handy
> > 
> > Signed
> > 
> > Remote Medic
> > 
> > 
> > Or, more simply, "What will ATLS teach you that PHTLS does not,
> for
> > the PREHOSPITAL treatment of a trauma victim?"  And the answer is
> > "Nothing worthwhile."
> > ..........
> > Aawwww Jeeeffffff ! ! ????
> > I can't believed you said (implied) that
> > 
> > 
> > Take PHTLS, save a couple of dollars in the process, and use the
> > money you saved to take a class on diseases in which you can make
> a
> > real difference: Cardiac, for example.
> > 
> > .........
> > Last ATLS class
> > I "made" $75 !!!
> > 
> > Any how
> > 
> > I have not yet read the other messages on this thread
> > But I hope that ATLS has not made it a policy
> > To bar Nurses and Medics from Auditing the course
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > 
> > Charles Brault EMT-P
> > 
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