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Caesar Ursic UrsicC at SESAHS.NSW.GOV.AU
Mon Aug 2 22:04:30 BST 2004


I would submit this to the group:  if by instituting an educational program very similar to ATLS, and in so doing infringing on copyright 'laws,' a third-world nation is able to make a real and positive impact on trauma care among its population, then the so-called 'illegalities' of copyright infringement are totally eclipsed by the moral imperative of promulgating the initiative in question.

Just one man's opinion.

CM Ursic, MD
Sydney



-----Original Message-----
From: trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org
[mailto:trauma-list-bounces at trauma.org]On Behalf Of Charles Brault
Sent: Monday, 2 August 2004 11:27 PM
To: Trauma & Critical Care mailing list
Subject: Re: ATLS



Copyrights do not exist in third world countries

And I ONLY mean in practice
(laws being applied very, very subjectively in these parts)

Call it the very small dividends of poverty and backwardness
Taking advantage of the fact that you are ignored for the most part
... from the rest of the world

... and their copyright lawyers

Just a simple fact

Where it gets more complicated is
In second world countries
WTO being the main enforcer

But I am not sute the WTO
Knows what ATLS is

An organisme that has packaged commonly accessible knowledge
Into a neat, concise, some time updated course
Apparently exclusive of any other efforts ! ?

Notwithstanding the work involved by the ACS
Knowledge and truth remain universal

Let the first world pay
(As with the drug companies, but not Hollywood))))
And do not try to get butter from your bread on the backs
Of poor people trying to catch up

That would make you a better person/organism
No medals, or parade

Just common humanity
As it should be practiced
... without questions or hesitations

Charles Brault EMT-P


--- KMATTOX at aol.com wrote:

> Lest there be any misunderstanding, there is no one on this list
> server  that
> is more committed to trauma education at any and all levels.  My
> concern is
> that copyrighted material might be misused.   International
> copyright laws
> exist to protect Anyone's intellectual  property.    It is
> inappropriate to take
> a textbook, a song, a  movie, or any other property and merely copy
> it for
> anthers use and  gain. Every country (well almost every country) of
> the world
> has laws  against black-market duplication.  
> 
> The ATLS course is one of those copyrighted material.  The ACS has
> worked
> hard to assure that when the words ATLS are uses it implies a
> standardized
> quality in the instructors, the course material, the simulated
> patients, and the
> specific case reviews, as well as the manual and test  material. 
> The same is
> true for other courses developed by an  organization and scores of
> examples
> exist across the gamut of our  societies.   
> 
> The original post indicated that one emergency medicine
> organization was 
> putting on the ATLS course in a country which is not known to have
> requested the 
> ACS to license the ATLS course to be given in that country.  It
> would be 
> inappropriate for that emergency medicine organization to put on an
> ACS ATLS 
> course using black-market material. 
> 
> On the other hand there are some rather uniform principles of
> trauma  care.  
> To put on a trauma course is appropriate and the instructors
> should clearly
> indicate the instructors, the affiliations, the sponsors, and the
> source of
> the material.  
> 
> k
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