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Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:26:48 +1100

At 09:26 AM 3/21/03 +1100, you wrote:
Kate
Yes that is correct but no Browns as far as I can find in Tasmania.
I meant to say that Tigers are found only in the South ie southern
Queensland, NSW, Vic and Tasmania
Also I think I said Deaf adder instead of the correct Death Adders.
We also have Copperheads here again mainly in the south and in Tasmania as
well.
Snakes apparently don't respect state borders.
regards
Tony Joseph

Brown snakes are in Victoria too!
>Kate.
>
>Kate Hyett
>Project Coordinator
>Collaborative Health, Education and Research Centre
>Bendigo Health Care Group
>PO Box 126 Bendigo VIC
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>
>>>> tjoseph@ihug.com.au 03/20/03 02:05am >>>
>At 02:15 PM 3/18/03 +1100, you wrote:
>Greg
>Fiona is correct.
>In the Central West of NSW, many of the Black snakes, which are relatively
>harmless to humans but are carnivorous to other snakes especially Browm
>snakes, were killed off or died off for other reasons. As a result the
>Brown snakes multiplied unchecked by a natural enemy.
>Brown snakes are the 2nd most deadly snake in the world ( after the Western
>Taipan) if you look at the LD 50 of their venom. They are particulary
>aggressive when their young are around and are very fast when they strike
>and they do so multiple times. They are found all over Australia except for
>Victoria and Tasmania but you guys have the almost as aggressive Tiger snake.
>They ( brown snakes) have been found recently ( in the last 5 -10 years) to
>have a Cardiotoxic/ depressant factor in their venom which is apparently
>related to their anticoagulant activity and this was responsible for a
>number of sudden deaths in patients.
> The usual scenario is that you are at a BBQ, drink a few beers, see a
>snake, chase it or try to pick it up, get bitten, chase it more trying to
>kill it and thus spreading the venom quicker in the lymphatics and then
>collapse , are hypotensive and coagulopathic. You then get some adrenaline
>to counter the hypotension and have a cerebral haemorrhage because of your
>coagulopathy. Although you can reverse the coagulopathy if you get to
>hospital and are given enough antivenom.
>
>Having said that there are very few deaths from snakebite in Australia each
>year ( certainly less than 10 and probably closer to 5 or so).
>
>For those of you who are still reading Australia has the 11 most deadly
>snakes and I think the Indian Cobra comes in number 12.
>However, snakes are protected here and you aren;t allowed to kill them for
>sport.
>
>We also have the funnel web spider which is cute too.
>
>Great case Ken.
>regards
>Tony Joseph.
>Sydney
>Aust.>
>
>Fiona
>>
>>Thats an interesting story about the systematic eradication of snakes in Oz,
>>I'd be interested to know exactly which snakes were killed off to make room
>>for the brown snakes to take over?
>>
>>I think that you are somewhat over stating the brown snake Fiona, yes it is
>>dangerous, but I am not sure it is quite as viscious as your portrayal.
>>
>>
>>Greg Benton        Happily living in the heart of tiger and brown snake
>>country :-)
>>
>>Nurse Unit Manager
>>Emergency Department
>>
>>Wangaratta District Base Hospital
>>Green St Wangaratta 3677
>>
>>E-mail 	Greg.Benton@wdbh.hume.org.au 
>>Ph 	03 57220162
>>Fax 	03 57220236
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:	fiwallace@doctors.org.uk [SMTP:fiwallace@doctors.org.uk] 
>>> Sent:	Tuesday, 18 March 2003 2:43
>>> To:	trauma-list@trauma.org 
>>> Subject:	Re: saddam and the snakes
>>> 
>>> There are many poisonous snakes in Australia, too.
>>> 
>>> In many towns they killed them on sight. The slower, quieter ones were
>>> easier to kill. The more visible ones were easier to kill. So the
>>> residents
>>> wiped them out.
>>> 
>>> In their place the brown snakes moved in. Little to choose between these
>>> and the others in terms of venom, but the brown snake is aggressive and
>>> territorial. If you back off, it will come after you, unlike the others
>>> which really had to be provoked into biting.
>>> 
>>> So now the towns have many aggressive, dangerous snakes to contend with.
>>> no
>>> chance of natural selection because all the others have been wiped out.
>>> 
>>> It's foolish to upset the balance of nature; you rarely improve things.
>>> just teach your kids to be wary. As has been mdentioned already, no
>>> snakebite deaths in the US since 1916.
>>> 
>>> Goodness, those snakes deserved to die. after all, what's the chance of
>>> your kid falling off their bike and dying of a head injury? Hope you
>>> chopped up those dangerous bikes as well. And the swing. And the skates...
>>> 
>>> Gives the kids the right idea about the natural world, too. if it might
>>> hurt you, kill it.
>>> 
>>> Hope you don't have a dog.
>>> 
>>> Fiona.
>>> 
>>> Staff Grade A&E
>>> UK
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE WHAT AMERICA IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH!!
>>> I
>>> recieved this in an email from a friend and it describes it exactly.
>>> >
>>> >Tom LeNeveu
>>> >
>>> >Don't know if you are familiar with the past governor of Georgia, Zell
>>> Miller, who is now Georgia's junior senator in Washington. By the way - he
>>> is a Democrat. 
>>> >I thought this article in the paper was very apropos. Zell Miller knows
>>> how to boil things down to the basics. That's what  Georgia's junior
>>> senator did when he explained why it's important that Saddam Hussein be
>>> defanged. But he's also a good storyteller. 
>>> >Here's the text of Mr. Miller's remarks, made on the Senate floor about
>>> the need to help President Bush deal with Iraq. We couldn't say it any
>>> better. 
>>> >"Mr. President, I have signed on as an original  co-sponsor of the Iraq
>>> resolution, and I'd like to tell you a story about why I think it is the
>>> right path to take: 
>>> >A few weeks ago, we were doing some work on my back porch back home,
>>> tearing out a section of old stacked rocks, when all of a sudden I
>>> uncovered a nest of copperhead snakes. Now, I'm not one to get alarmed at
>>> snakes. I know they perform some useful functions, like eating rats. And
>>> when I was a young lad, I kept snakes as pets. I had an indigo snake, a
>>> bull snake, a corn snake and many others. I must have had a dozen king
>>> snakes at one time or another. 
>>> >They make great pets and you only had to feed them a mouse every 30 days.
>>> 
>>> >I read all the books by Raymond C. Ditmars, who was the foremost
>>> herpetologist of his day. That's an expert on snakes. For a while, I
>>> wanted
>>> to be a herpetologist, but the pull of being a big-league shortstop outran
>>> that childhood dream. I reminisce 
>>> >this way to explain that snakes don't scare me like they do some people.
>>> And I guess the reason is that I know the difference between those that
>>> are
>>> harmless and those that will kill you. In fact, I  bet I may be the only
>>> senator in this body who can look at the last three inches of a snake's
>>> tail and  tell you whether it's poisonous or not. I can also tell the sex
>>> of a snake, but that's another story. 
>>> >A copperhead will kill you. It could kill one of my dogs. It could kill
>>> one of my grandchildren. It could kill any of my four great grandchildren.
>>> They play all the time where I found these killers. And you know, when I
>>> discovered these copperheads, I 
>>> >didn't call my wife Shirley and ask her advice, like I do on most things.
>>> I didn't yell 
>>> >for help from my neighbors or take it to the city council. I just took a
>>> hoe and knocked them in the head and killed them. Dead as a doorknob. I
>>> guess you could call it a unilateral action. Or pre-emptive or even
>>> bellicose and reactive. I took their poisonous heads off because they were
>>> a threat to me. And they were a threat to my home and my family. They were
>>> a threat to all I hold dear. 
>>> >And isn't that what this is all about ?   " 
>>> >
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