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x-ray work up for blunt head injury - selective use of SXRs a s potential pre-discharge filter from the ED
Black, John John.Black at orh.nhs.ukSun Aug 24 14:17:35 BST 2003
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Caesar, Thanks for your comments. I flagged up this issue because of all the previous posts (except for Dr Morrow's yesterday) could give the impression that CT head should be the only imaging modality of choice for significant head trauma - which I continue to challenge in the specific subset described, irrespective or not of whether there are the resources for CT locally. I will review our data as you rightly recommend. I assume from your comments that you institution has stopped undertaking plain films with the advent of CT - ours has not - yet! Apologies re any confusion with the crow bar case which was not the mechanism of my original post (mechanism was unknown as is too often the case). I would advocate proceeding directly to CT with any case in which I had good clinical reason (high index of suspicion) to suspect a depressed (or linear)skull fracture. This may be overlooked by the less experienced, especially if there is an incomplete history, has not been any clouding of consciousness , and a lack of impressive local signs in the scalp. John Black Oxford, UK -----Original Message----- From: caesar ursic [mailto:cmursic at yahoo.com] Sent: 23 August 2003 16:11 To: Trauma & Critical Care mailing list Subject: RE: x-ray work up for blunt head injury - selective use of SXRs a s potential pre-discharge filter from the ED --- "Black, John" <John.Black at orh.nhs.uk> wrote: > Thanks for your comments. > > Caesar, we have not formally studied the positive > and negative predictive > values of SXRs at our institution and we should do > so. Have you? No, of course we haven't studied our numbers - for the simple reason that we don't use plain skull films. > The vast majority are negative (as you would expect) > although last night in > our department a depressed skull fracture (crow bar > assault) was diagnosed > by a junior clinician using plain skull films...... The patient you describe had clinical signs and symptoms associated with a small but real incidence of brain injury: repetitive questioning, no recall of events, headache, AND an obvious mechanism (crowbar to the head). He merited a CT scan. > Are you advocating that plain skull x-rays be banned > in the Emergency > Department that may not have the resources to CT > scan every GCS 15 head > injured patient with a significant scalp haematoma > (irrespective of the CT > radiation concerns) that cannot be adequately > clinically assessed? Of course not, John, but haven't you now changed your tune just a little bit? Initially you advocated plain skull films as a screening method, period. Now you want them only when CT is unavailable. That's a different case alltogether, isn't it? I may be misinterpreting your post, but if my hospital's CT scanner is broken or constantly unavailable, then I guess I'd shrug my shoulders and resign myself to using outdated diagnostic approaches because - well, that's the best that I can do. I fully realize that not all institutions have the benefit of a constantly available scanner. Luckily, I work in one that does. I applaud those who must by necessity rely on their clinical skills yet get results as good or better than mine. Really! C.M. Ursic, M.D. Dept. of Surgery UCSF-East Bay Oakland, California __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- trauma-list : TRAUMA.ORG To change your settings or unsubscribe visit: http://www.trauma.org/traumalist.html
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