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In a message dated 4/1/2002 1:55:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
azidan@batelco.com.bh writes:

> My final request is this discussion will lead to no where so let us focus on 
> the professional aspects of this list , Politics has been always a dirty 
> game .
>  
>  
>  
> Dr.Alaa Zidan Orthopaedic surgeon&Team leader Accident Dept, Salmanyia 
> medical complex. P.O. Box 12 Manama.Kingdom of Bahrain.
> 
> -------Original Message-------
>  
> From: <A HREF="mailto:trauma-list@trauma.org">trauma-list@trauma.org</A>
> Date: Sunday, March 31, 2002 09:49:06 PM
> To: <A HREF="mailto:trauma-list@trauma.org">trauma-list@trauma.org</A>
> Subject: Into the neutral territory of health care
> 
>  
> There is enough past fingerpointing to fill a hard drive and more than two 
> sides exist on the issues in Israel. If we come out of Afghanistan and the 
> war against terrorism and have not resolved the Israeli/Palastine issues, 
> then we will be no closer to peace than we were on September 10th. Some of 
> my Jewish friends accuse me of supporting the Arabic side, and some of my 
> Moslem friends accuse me of supporting the Zionist. That is the price I pay 
> 
> for attempting to rally us to a solution. 
> 
> Now that the suicide bombers have struck an EMS station is very concerning. 
> 
> What is next? A hospital? The irony is that we are so very close to a 
> solution. The Camp David accords reached almost 95% agreement for both 
> sides, but one side rejected further discussion. The issues of "occupation" 
> 
> can and will be solved. The issues of what to do with Jerusalem as a 
> capital 
> or an international neutral city, can and will be addressed. The refugee 
> camps have naturally breed discontent for decades and Arafat has even 
> encouraged that "martyrdom," even this week. He, or someone on the 
> Palestine side must say to the young people, STOP the suicide bombing. We 
> are being held hostage by a very small group of people, and I am not smart 
> enough to know just who those people are, but someone knows their identity. 
> 
> I am very concerned that someone finds it to their advantage to NOT allow 
> the peace process to go forward. We the medical professionals must call 
> upon our leaders to preserve health, not just to be available to transport 
> and operate on the injured. Rather than us interacting with each other 
> regarding religion, territory, principle, or who is right or wrong, please, 
> 
> let us use our energies to persuade our political leaders to use this 
> crisis 
> to find a solution. We cannot start that discussion till someone, anyone 
> on the Arab side must give the ORDER for the suicide bombings to stop. That 
> 
> easily could come from Islamic clerics in Egypt. 
> 
> k 
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It says a lot about mindset to even consider labelling this as 
"politics"--this is sheer madness that transcends all known bounds of human 
decency, and is a perfectly valid issue to discuss among those on this list 
who must face the consequences of this every day--it most certainly is the 
business of this list.  This ridiculous excuse that the issue is too complex 
for us "foreigners" to understand is itself a misunderstanding of the 
greatest degree--to think that only certain people can "understand" how mad 
it is to kill innocent civilians simply as a means to focus attention on 
one's own agenda  is purely and simply wrong and evil.  Perhaps it is those 
who make this claim who really do not understand, and have lost all 
perspective as they are consumed by their petty hatreds==perhaps we on the 
outside with an objective stance can see this much more clearly than 
you==ever consider that?  In your diatribe, you failed to explain to us what 
the purpose of suicide bombing serves--you think this helps the cause of 
either side?  It is actually destroying the very people who use it in the 
mistaken perception it advances their cause--if their cause is universal 
hatred by decent humanity, then you are right--it certainly advances that 
cause.  If they choose to live by the Devil's methods, then they must be 
prepared to reap the consequences.
ERF

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>In a message dated 4/1/2002 1:55:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, azidan@batelco.com.bh writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">My final request is this discussion will lead to no where so let us focus on the professional aspects of this list , Politics has been always a dirty game .<BR>
 <BR>
 <BR>
 <BR>
<B>Dr.Alaa Zidan</B> Orthopaedic surgeon&amp;Team leader Accident Dept, Salmanyia medical complex. P.O. Box 12 Manama.Kingdom of Bahrain.<BR>
<BR>
<I>-------Original Message-------</I><BR>
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<B>From:</B> <A HREF="mailto:trauma-list@trauma.org">trauma-list@trauma.org</A></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<B>Date:</B> Sunday, March 31, 2002 09:49:06 PM<BR>
<B>To:</B> <A HREF="mailto:trauma-list@trauma.org">trauma-list@trauma.org</A></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Into the neutral territory of health care<BR>
<BR>
 <BR>
There is enough past fingerpointing to fill a hard drive and more than two <BR>
sides exist on the issues in Israel. If we come out of Afghanistan and the <BR>
war against terrorism and have not resolved the Israeli/Palastine issues, <BR>
then we will be no closer to peace than we were on September 10th. Some of <BR>
my Jewish friends accuse me of supporting the Arabic side, and some of my <BR>
Moslem friends accuse me of supporting the Zionist. That is the price I pay <BR>
for attempting to rally us to a solution. <BR>
<BR>
Now that the suicide bombers have struck an EMS station is very concerning. <BR>
What is next? A hospital? The irony is that we are so very close to a <BR>
solution. The Camp David accords reached almost 95% agreement for both <BR>
sides, but one side rejected further discussion. The issues of "occupation" <BR>
can and will be solved. The issues of what to do with Jerusalem as a capital <BR>
or an international neutral city, can and will be addressed. The refugee <BR>
camps have naturally breed discontent for decades and Arafat has even <BR>
encouraged that "martyrdom," even this week. He, or someone on the <BR>
Palestine side must say to the young people, STOP the suicide bombing. We <BR>
are being held hostage by a very small group of people, and I am not smart <BR>
enough to know just who those people are, but someone knows their identity. <BR>
I am very concerned that someone finds it to their advantage to NOT allow <BR>
the peace process to go forward. We the medical professionals must call <BR>
upon our leaders to preserve health, not just to be available to transport <BR>
and operate on the injured. Rather than us interacting with each other <BR>
regarding religion, territory, principle, or who is right or wrong, please, <BR>
let us use our energies to persuade our political leaders to use this crisis <BR>
to find a solution. We cannot start that discussion till someone, anyone <BR>
on the Arab side must give the ORDER for the suicide bombings to stop. That <BR>
easily could come from Islamic clerics in Egypt. <BR>
<BR>
k <BR>
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It says a lot about mindset to even consider labelling this as "politics"--this is sheer madness that transcends all known bounds of human decency, and is a perfectly valid issue to discuss among those on this list who must face the consequences of this every day--it most certainly is the business of this list.&nbsp; This ridiculous excuse that the issue is too complex for us "foreigners" to understand is itself a misunderstanding of the greatest degree--to think that only certain people can "understand" how mad it is to kill innocent civilians simply as a means to focus attention on one's own agenda&nbsp; is purely and simply wrong and evil.&nbsp; Perhaps it is those who make this claim who really do not understand, and have lost all perspective as they are consumed by their petty hatreds==perhaps we on the outside with an objective stance can see this much more clearly than you==ever consider that?&nbsp; In your diatribe, you failed to explain to us what the purpose of suicide bombing serves--you think this helps the cause of either side?&nbsp; It is actually destroying the very people who use it in the mistaken perception it advances their cause--if their cause is universal hatred by decent humanity, then you are right--it certainly advances that cause.&nbsp; If they choose to live by the Devil's methods, then they must be prepared to reap the consequences.<BR>
ERF</B></FONT></HTML>

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