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Bjorn, Pret trauma-list@trauma.orgWed, 13 Feb 2002 13:39:47 -0500
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This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B4BD.D00D0F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's probably the Subject line: the capitalizations and all those exclamation points that are starting to bug me. But I'm thinking we = should pause for a moment. =20 =20 First, this incident has virtually nothing to do with trauma. For = those who have no other outlet for their shock and outrage, surely there must be = an EMS or OB-Gyn forum which could channel these emotional responses into = a constructive discussion. =20 Furthermore, I think it's premature (zero pun intended)--if not wholly unreasonable--to indict the New Jersey EMS system on the grounds that = two of their licensees were arguably morons. Tragic, yes--and there but for = the grace of God go any of our EMS systems, which attract passionate, = sometimes opinionated, and very occasionally incompetent providers. =20 =20 I think it's worth remembering, though, that for each foul-up which = earns headlines and boils the blood of the lay public, there are easily = thousands of safe, professional, and often heroic EMS cases which we all take for granted. =20 =20 I vote we move on. =20 Pret Bjorn Trauma Coordinator EMMC Trauma Program 489 State Street Bangor, ME 04401 =20 207.973.7260 (office) 207.973.7673 (fax) 207.941.5085 (voice pager) =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Rosann Juska [mailto:momof2preemies@oceana.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:52 AM To: trauma-list@trauma.org Subject: Re: This is just plain SICK!!!!!!!!!! Amen to Dave!!!!=20 Now my opinion!! What in the heck possess them to put that baby in a = bag??? As a mother of two preemies I could not imagine!!!!!! My babies were = 2lbs and 4 lbs!! That is just so inhumane!!!!!! As almost a medic, still = just plain STUPID!!!!!! Common sense people!!!!!! So NJ is not part of = NREMT????? =B8..=B7 =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-=20 -:=A6:- ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4* =20 Rosann Juska ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave <mailto:daveadler_emtp@msn.com> Adler EMT-P=20 To: trauma-list@trauma.org <mailto:trauma-list@trauma.org> =20 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: RE: This is just plain SICK!!!!!!!!!! For clarification: As has already been mentioned on another list, these were EMT-B's and = not paramedics. EMT-Bs in the State of New Jersey can operate practically without regulation and oversight in volunteer rescue squads. = Paramedics in NJ are all hospital based, career track folks who enjoy close working relationships with their command docs. =20 With any luck, this will cause the state to look at and change the way vollie squads are run. =20 Dave Adler, EMT-P Sergeant, City of Philadelphia Housing Authority Police Paramedic, Burholme First Aid Corps www.burholme.org <http://www.burholme.org>=20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B4BD.D00D0F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns=http://www.trauma.org/index.php/community/list/url/http:list.ftech.net/pipermail/trauma-list/2002/"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 10" name=Originator><LINK href=http://www.trauma.org/index.php/community/list/url/http:list.ftech.net/pipermail/trauma-list/2002/"cid:filelist.xml@01C1B3DB.C2751FB0" rel=File-List><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"></o:SmartTagType><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:SpellingState>Clean</w:SpellingState> <w:GrammarState>Clean</w:GrammarState> <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind> <w:EnvelopeVis/> <w:Compatibility> <w:ApplyBreakingRules/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if !mso]> <STYLE>st1\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui) } </STYLE> <![endif]--> <STYLE> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; text-underline:single;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline; text-underline:single;} p {mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial; mso-ascii-font-family:Arial; mso-hansi-font-family:Arial; mso-bidi-font-family:Arial; color:navy;} span.SpellE {mso-style-name:""; mso-spl-e:yes;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </STYLE> <!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} </style> <![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=white lang=EN-US link=blue style="tab-interval: .5in" vLink=purple> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900053115-13022002>It's probably the Subject line: the capitalizations and all those exclamation points that are starting to bug me. But I'm thinking we should pause for a moment. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900053115-13022002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900053115-13022002>First, this incident has virtually nothing to do with trauma. For those who have no other outlet for their shock and outrage, surely there must be an EMS or OB-Gyn forum which could channel these emotional responses into a constructive discussion.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900053115-13022002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900053115-13022002>Furthermore, I think it's premature (zero pun intended)--if not wholly unreasonable--to indict the New Jersey EMS system on the grounds that two of their licensees were arguably morons. Tragic, yes--and there but for the grace of God go any of our EMS systems, which attract passionate, sometimes opinionated, and very occasionally incompetent providers. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900053115-13022002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900053115-13022002>I think it's worth remembering, though, that for each foul-up which earns headlines and boils the blood of the lay public, there are easily thousands of safe, professional, and often heroic EMS cases which we all take for granted. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900053115-13022002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900053115-13022002>I vote we move on.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900053115-13022002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=030133519-19052000>Pret Bjorn</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=030133519-19052000>Trauma Coordinator</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=030133519-19052000>EMMC Trauma Program</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=030133519-19052000>489 State Street</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=030133519-19052000>Bangor, ME 04401</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=030133519-19052000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=030133519-19052000>207.973.7260 (office)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=030133519-19052000>207.973.7673 (fax)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=030133519-19052000>207.941.5085 (voice pager)</SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#800000 face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900053115-13022002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=900053115-13022002></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=900053115-13022002> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Rosann Juska [mailto:momof2preemies@oceana.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:52 AM<BR><B>To:</B> trauma-list@trauma.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: This is just plain SICK!!!!!!!!!!<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"></FONT> <DIV><FONT color=#008080 face="Goudy Old Style">Amen to Dave!!!! </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#008080 face="Goudy Old Style">Now my opinion!! What in the heck possess them to put that baby in a bag??? As a mother of two preemies I could not imagine!!!!!! My babies were 2lbs and 4 lbs!! That is just so inhumane!!!!!! As almost a medic, still just plain STUPID!!!!!! Common sense people!!!!!! So NJ is not part of NREMT?????</FONT></DIV> <DIV>¸..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:-<BR> ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))<BR> ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- <BR> -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* <BR> Rosann Juska<BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #008080 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:daveadler_emtp@msn.com" title=daveadler_emtp@msn.com>Dave Adler EMT-P</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:trauma-list@trauma.org" title=trauma-list@trauma.org>trauma-list@trauma.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:41 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: This is just plain SICK!!!!!!!!!!</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">For clarification:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As has already been mentioned on another list, these were EMT-B’s and not paramedics.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>EMT-Bs in the State of </SPAN></FONT><st1:State><st1:place><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">New Jersey</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:State><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> can operate practically without regulation and oversight in volunteer rescue squads. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Paramedics in NJ are all hospital based, career track folks who enjoy close working relationships with their command docs.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">With any luck, this will cause the state to look at and change the way <SPAN class=SpellE>vollie</SPAN> squads are run.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-no-proof: yes">Dave Adler, EMT-P</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-no-proof: yes">Sergeant, City of </SPAN></FONT><st1:City><st1:place><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-no-proof: yes">Philadelphia</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-no-proof: yes"> Housing Authority Police</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-no-proof: yes">Paramedic, Burholme First Aid Corps</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-no-proof: yes"><A href=http://www.trauma.org/index.php/community/list/url/http:list.ftech.net/pipermail/trauma-list/2002/"http://www.burholme.org">www.burholme.org</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-no-proof: yes"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B4BD.D00D0F60--
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